[OPEN-ILS-DEV] Proposal: Public logs for the OpenILS-Evergreen IRC channel

Mike Rylander mrylander at gmail.com
Thu Feb 7 11:27:34 EST 2008

As I mentioned in-channel, ;)

+1 on logging with the option of opt-out, preferably sticky opt-out


On Feb 7, 2008 10:09 AM, Dan Scott <denials at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks:
> Up to now we haven't made public logs of the #OpenILS-Evergreen IRC
> channel available. I think we've discussed the possibility in IRC once
> or twice, but I can't remember the rationale of why we decided not to
> make public logs available - probably a combination of laziness (it
> would require somebody to do something, when we've got lots of other
> things to work on) and a desire to keep the tone of the channel
> informal when we're not discussing problems or helping people out.
> However, I received an email from Randy Metcalfe of eIFL today that
> made a very good point: right now, most (all?) of the Evergreen
> deployments are in North America. So our time zones are roughly
> synchronous (8:00 AM EST -> 1:00 AM EST) and we have come to expect
> pretty much pervasive connectivity - if you want to be on IRC, you can
> get on IRC.
> However, as our i18n work proceeds and Evergreen becomes a realistic
> option for more countries throughout the world, we will increasingly
> run into situations where the time zones of the North American core
> development team doesn't match the time zones of potential adopters
> and potential developers. In addition, in many places Internet
> connectivity is more sporadic: it might be available just a few hours
> per day. In those cases, the knowledge that is shared via IRC could be
> greatly beneficial to others if they were able to at least search for
> previous discussions on the IRC logs.
> In fact, I think this would also benefit those in North America who
> can't currently connect to the IRC channel because of restraints at
> their place of work, or an inability to concentrate while IRC is
> running, etc.
> So, I would like to propose that we set up a publicly searchable log
> of the #OpenILS-Evergreen channel.
> The Freenode policies towards logging channels are as follows (as
> stated in Freenode connection MOTD):
> [08:38] [MOTD] - By connecting to freenode you indicate that you have read
> [08:38] [MOTD] - and agree to adhere to our policies and procedures as per
> [08:38] [MOTD] - the website (http://freenode.net). We would like to remind
> [08:38] [MOTD] - you that unauthorized public logging of channels on the
> [08:38] [MOTD] - network is prohibited. Public channel logging should only
> [08:38] [MOTD] - take place where the channel owner(s) has requested this
> [08:38] [MOTD] - and users of the channel are all made aware (if you are
> [08:38] [MOTD] - publically logging your channel, you may wish to keep a
> [08:38] [MOTD] - notice in topic and perhaps as a on-join message).
> If the community agrees with my proposal to start publicly logging
> #OpenILS-Evergreen, I would suggest that we add that statement to our
> topic and as an on-join first and foremost, and then worry about where
> and how we will make the logs starting from that date available
> thereafter.
> --
> Dan Scott
> Laurentian University

Mike Rylander
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 | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Evergreen Experts
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